>Norman Finkelstein on Israel’s Flotilla Massacre

>You can trust the Mainstream Media to hide the most hideous crimes committed by Israel, while playing up fake videos of Osama bin Dead and the Al CIAda for staged terror attacks.

Israel has committed piracy and terrorism in international waters, having massacred about 19 or 20 people (can’t confirm no thanks to Israel’s news blackout) on Freedom Flotilla. Yet the Mainstream Media does not put it up on its front pages. (But that’s expected because the MSM is under the control of the US and European governments, which themselves are Zionist bootlickers.)

The Flotilla is a convoy, intended to supply food, medicine and other basic necessities to Gazans, who Israel (who else) has blockaded. That itself, is a crime.

Here is Norman Finkelstein, a well known Zionist critic (who also happens to have his parents killed in the Holocaust), blasting Zionist Israel for its shameless crimes.

‘Israel is a Lunatic State’ – Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack

Finkelstein says:

0:15 min -
Reaction from Obama Admin (pertaining to Flotilla Massacre by Israel) is “mild display of concern”.

1:00 min -
Israel has been imposing illegal blockade on Gaza. UN calls it “flagrant violation of International Law”.

1:25 min -
Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu call it (Massacre of Flotilla) one of the worst violations of human rights in the world today.

1:40 min -
Israel attacked a humanitarian convoy in International Waters. Used armed commandos. No way to justify using armed commandos on unarmed humanitarian convoy, which was to relieve an illegal siege and blockade of Gaza.

2:15 min -
After Israel’s massacre of Gaza in Dec 2008 and Jan 2009, Israel said it wanted to show the Arab World that Israel was capable of acting like ” a lunatic state and mad dogs” to restore the Arab’s fear of Israel. After looking at the Flotilla Massacre, has Israel been acting or become a lunatic state?

(Solo Bears’ comment – Before the Gaza Massacre of Dec 2008 and Jan 2009, Israel lost a war to Hezbollah in 2006. That loss was a humiliation to Israel in the eyes of the Arab World and hence, Israel was bent on revenge by attacking unarmed Gazans in Dec 2008 and Jan 2009, to restore its wounded pride and fear within the Arab World. The above idea of restoring Arab fear is also interesting, in view of the Flotilla Massacre. So Israel slaughtered innocents on the Flotilla Convoy to show the Arab world Israel is still to be feared?)

3:45 min -
What happened to the Flotilla was not an accident. Israel Cabinet planned it for a week and it concluded that it would raid the Flotilla in the darkness of the night with fully armed commandos.

(Solo Bear’s comments – there you have it! So the Flotilla Massacre was planned! They were making good their promise to tell the Arabs they are still to be feared. Oh, incidentally, the Flotilla is a Turkish Convoy. Oopsie, looks like Israel just made another enemy here.)

4:55 min -
Can a lunatic state like Israel be trusted with 200 to 300 nuclear devices, threatening Iran and Lebanon with an attack?

The Freedom Flotilla is a Turkish Convoy. Here is what Turkey has decided to do, the next time it sends out aid to Gaza from its port.

Turkey: Future Gaza Aid Ships Will Have Military Escorts

The attacked ship was Turkish in origin and at least two of the slain aid workers were Turkish citizens. Turkey says future aid ships will be dispatched with a military escort so as to prevent future Israeli attacks.

If the above report is true, it would be really interesting. So far, Israel has been killing and maiming mainly unarmed and innocent civilians, women and children included. But when it comes to real war, they cow and run – like the 2006 War with Hezbollah.

Even the much touted 1967 Six-Day War was just propaganda for Israel, because its neighbours only gave a half-hearted fight, without putting up their full force. But when Israel’s neighbours do go out in full force, it shows how frail the Coward Zionist Army of Israel really is, like the 1973 Yom Kippur War, where hundreds of Israeli tanks were wasted by the foot soldiers of Egypt in Sinai.

That same humiliating loss was repeated in the 2006 War with Hezbollah. Here is a post I made, pertaining to the two wars where Israel’s vulnerability is exposed, showing that the much touted IDF is nothing more than a paper tiger. Fallacy of the Mean Israeli Defence Force

So if the report about Turkey escorting future aid convoys is true, it sure would be interesting to see if Israel has the bloody stinking guts to take on a real army of men, and not just shooting at Palestinian kids throwing stones.

In meantime, here is another piece of news that may spell trouble for Israel.

Turkey to Assume UN Security Council Presidency in June

ANKARA (PanArmenian.net)—Turkey is set to take over the rotating presidency of the United Nations Security Council in June 2010, the country’s permanent representative to the UN, Baki Ilkin, said Thursday.

According to the Journal of Turkish Weekly, Ilkin will preside over all low-level Security Council meetings while Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu will chair high-level sessions.

Payback time soon? Yep, Israel did make another enemy.

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>Israel’s Atrocities Exposed on Talk Show

>Dr Norman Finkelstein. He is a Jew, whose parents survived the Holocaust. His stance is that Israel should NOT keep using the Holocaust to justify its atrocities against Palestinians. Oh, by the way, Israel has barred him (a Jew) from his own country. Israel has the policy to accept ALL JEWS who seek to “return to Israel” – yet he is barred?

Here is a Crosstalk Show. It is a discussion (if you can call that) between Dr Finkelstein and Dr Raana Gissen, former aid to Ariel Sharon (ex-PM of Israel). Note how evasive and aggressive Dr Gissen is. Are not Zionists always defensive about their war crimes?

CrossTalk: Norman Finkelstein vs. Israel

Highlights

2:15
Dr Finkelstein says there is a witch hunt for those who criticize Israel for its war crimes in the last Gazan assault. Israel has been downgraded in the area of freedom of speech in global polls – lower than Lebanon, UAE and Kuwait.

3:15
Moderator notes that Freedom House (one of those that downgraded Israel) usually supports Israel, yet the downgrade. Poses thought to the former aide to Ariel Sharon.

3:45
Dr Gissen evades posed question, proceeds to say Israel is not a “normal state” and it is an “endangered species” in a National Park and acts according to the threats it faces. But in the Park, there is freedom of speech. Maintains assault on Gaza is an act of self-defence. Says Israel was brought to court for it, but not other nations.

4:45
Finkelstein replies to “Israel not a normal state” comment. Says that is not something to be proud of – considering if it means it is always gearing up for war and killing innocent people. Says Israel is not a normal state but a lunatic state.

5:30
Moderator poses a question to Gissen about Finkelstein being banned from Israel for 10 years. Is he a security threat?

5:45
Gissene says that Finkelstein sounds like someone coming out from a hate website from Iran. Maintains that it is all propaganda.

6:20
Gissen says when his great-grandparents came to Israel, they came with bible in one hand and rifle in the other, with hand extended to Arabs. Those (Arabs) who fought had to meet the wrath of the rifle.

7:00
Finkelstein tries to reply, Gissen interrupts and says to Finkelstein that’s what happened in America too. Finkelstein replies the first Europeans who came to North America also came with rifle in hand because they had intention to displace the indigenous peoples. That is also why Jews in Europe went to Palestinian with rifle in hand, because the intention was not to live with the indigenous population, but to displace them.

8:32
Finkelstein says that today there still are possibilities for Israel to live in peace with whatever that remains of the indigenous population, but Israel refuses to abide to what is set out by international law.

8:45
Moderator poses question to Gissen, if Israel wants to live in peace with its neigbours and can Palestinians have their own state? Moderator notes that US and Israel are the only 2 states that consistently block this (formation of Independent Palestinian State).

9:15
Gissen instead of answering if Israel allows a Palestinian state, attacks Dr Finkelstein. Then talks about conflicts in the region. Mentions clashes between Shiites and Sunnis. Then quotes bible again to maintain the rights of Jews to have the land. Does not answer the question “does Israel allow a Palestinian state”?

10:25
Finkelstein to Gissen: If my family came with bible in hand and say this is my home because my ancestors lived here 2000 years ago, would you pack and leave?

10:45 to 13:40
Break. View it if you wish. It has a moving short documentary on Kosovo followed by how US soldiers kill innocents including children – then live to regret it.

14:40
How Russia views the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

15:50
Finkelstein notes that Arab states and other states willing to give Israel under international law its rights to existence of a state. But on the other hand, Israel refuses to recognize Palestinians have a right to their state under the same international law.

16:35
Gissen replies. Or does he? Talks about Holocaust deniers instead of addressing Finkelstein’s point of non-recognition of Palestine by Israel, which Palestinians have a right under international law.

18:00
Gissen says Article 51 gives every country the right to self defence, but Israel is the only country to be brought to international court for self-defence under Article 51. Questions validity of trying to get Israel to international court, because Israel has right to defend itself.

18:20
Finkelstein replies that the recommendation to bring Israel to court is NOT because of the right Israel has to defend itself, BUT for the war crimes it committed. The reason why Israel should be taken to court is because of the systematic targetting of civilians. Gissen again tries to interrupt and denies the systematic targetting of civilians.

19:30
Finkelstein gives example of Israeli official (Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni) boasting about the war it had with Gazans. Gissen says that information is from Hamas website. Finkelstein says that Hamas was quoting Tzipi Livni’s words from Israel’s own mainstream news.

20:30
Gissen says that he does not know what statements Livni made. (Yeah, sure… then how does he know it was from Hamas website, huh?) Debate deteriorates.

21:00
Moderator cuts in. Asks Gissen if what Norman Finkelstein says is true or not true (that Livni boasted about the war). Note Gissen does not reply to that question but rattles on with unrelated topics.

22:00
Gissen says Hamas tampered with the evidence (that Livni said those words) in order to prove Israel is the criminal. (Now, surely he had to know Livni’s words to make that allegation! So why did he deny he heard Livni’s words?)

22:15
Finkelstein highlights that The Goldstone Report found that 1400 people were killed in the last Gaza Massacre, out of which 4/5 were civilians. 6000 homes destroyed. 80% of agricultural crops destroyed. The only flour mill destroyed. Israel used tanks to mow down 50,000 chickens. (Wiping out food for the Gazans?) Compare that to Israel’s own investigation, it found only one crime – a soldier fraudulently used a credit card.

24:15
Gissen given the last word. Insists Hamas staged this event to discredit Israel. Says Hamas uses human shields (old story huh? – but how do you expect 1 million over people, confined in a space 1/3 the size of Singapore to hide when the bombs come? Isn’t this targetting civilians deliberately as in the Goldstone Report?)

Note:
The Goldstone Report, which Finkelstein referred to and which Gissen denies the allegations reported, is an investigative report that found Israel criminally liable against the Palestinian civilians during the last Gazan invasion.

Regarding Tzipi Livni words, which Raana Gissen denies he heard, here it is – published by an ISRAELI tabloid. What kind of aide to the former PM of Israel was he, not knowing that such an event was reported?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058462.html

This war unmasked Livni, the woman who had promised us “different politics.” She, who as foreign minister was supposed to show Israel’s sunny side to the world, chose to present an arrogant, violent and brutal face. During the war she boasted that Israel was acting “savagely,” threatened to let Hamas “have it” and announced that the cease-fire would come into effect “whenever Israel decides.”

Incidentally, Hamas is the DEMOCRATICALLY elected govt of Gaza. Who is Israel (or US) to interfere by trying to “savagely let them have it”? How would you feel if a foreign govt threatens to remove YOUR govt with violence?

Solo Bear’s own Comments

I find many Christians and to some extent non-Christians in Singapore appear to have this unquestioning “love for Israel” for some unexplained, bizarre reason. Maybe it is due to the fact that Singapore has strong ties with US (and Israel), and because of that, the mainstream media in Singapore portrays Israel as the angels, when many parts of the world are beginning to swing against Israel.

Non-supporters (like myself) of Zionism do not call for the eradication of Israel. All we ask is why can’t the Palestinians have their land, which has been stated clearly under the UN Resolution that was spelt out in 1947 – the very same resolution Israel claims to have a right to that land?

All the fighting Israel has had with the Palestinians are in Palestinian Lands. It is not that Palestinians are encroaching into Israel. It is Israel has occupied land meant for Palestinians and the Palestinians are just asking for their land back.

What I find bizarre is this undying love these Christians have for Israel, when it is shown that Israel has been killing innocent people, women and children included, callously.